Home · Search · About ING · Astronomy · Public Information · Engineering

Good agreement with IAC DIMM

The first ever comparison between seeing data from RoboDIMM and the IAC DIMM (data graciously provided by the Sky Quality Group at the IAC), using simultaneous samples from October 2002, shows very good agreement. The median FWHM from samples of several hours length were measured and converted to logarithms (base 10) to produce a data couple, each representing one of 9 nights, from which a correlation strength of up to 92% (see Figure) is obtained. The use of a logarithmic scale to measure the correlation converts seeing FWHM into an approximately normally-distributed variable, but it also happens that log(FWHM) is proportional to the strength of the atmospheric turbulence, which is what a DIMM measures.

correlation plot, october

The differences between the simultaneous samples of FWHM varies between 3 and 15% on any given night
and on average is about 8%. The average discrepancy is no larger than the internal discrepancy (between the multiple seeing estimates) in both instruments. The good agreement is undoubtedly helped by the length of the samples (several hours), which would be expected to reduce the effects of local variations and the large distance separating the two monitors (a couple of kilometers). However what is more impresive is that such good agreement exists between two independently designed instruments in spite of the factor 10 difference between the sample duty cycles of the two instruments. Periods of rapidly fluctuating seeing were generally excluded from the samples used in this comparison, again to avoid possible local effects, and only long periods of steady seeing conditions (judging from graphs) were used. One weakness in this test is the lack of median values smaller than about 0.6". It should be possible to improve upon this using data from summer 2003, as is intended.

Generally, the impression is that the average seeing published on the Weather page agrees reasonably well with seeing being obtained at the William Herschel, including NAOMI and the "Slodar" wave front sensors, and with that obtained at other telescopes. It has shown sensitivity to all seeing conditions, registering measurements as low as 0.31" and (during the passing of a recent warm front) as high as 7 arcseconds!

Nevertheless on a few occasions this past summer, it has been observed that the seeing obtained on the science instrument at the WHT has been significantly larger than that measured by the DIMM. Since a ready explanation (such as termperature differences in the dome) has not always been available, this is a cause for some concern. The important point is that simultaneous and long term averages need to be compared, not just single instances representing a less than one minute sample. It is not a trivial problem and will require careful logging of measurements to investigate.

Comparison of results from different DIMMs


One of the main controversies in site testing recently is the accuracy in comparing results from different seeing monitors and therefore also comparing the seeing quality at several sites. In October 2002, PASP published an important article by Andrey Tokovinin about sources of systematic error in measurements from DIMM type seeing monitors:

http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/PASP/journal/issues/v114n800/202113/202113.web.pdf

This article explains in detail how different factors introduce bias into the FWHM estimates from the various DIMMs now being used around the world, factors which unavoidably make comparison difficult between sites using different monitor designs, to a precision better than some 20-30%. This means that RoboDIMM statistics may not be comparable with previous seeing campaigns at ING or those at other sites, to within such a margin.

Tokovinin's article suggests that the best optimistic accuracy that can be achieved in comparison between DIMMs is about 10%.  In the test described in the previous section, the accuracy of the measurements from each instrument, as suggested by the average discrepancy between the two or four simultaneous estimates that each provides, is at its greatest, about 10%. The experience of the above test suggests that the "internal discrepancies" vary strongly (3-15%) with the instrinsic variability of the seeing on a given night and that this factor may decide the practical limitation in comparison tests between DIMMs rather than theoretical derivations.


ING Logo

Last Updated: 25 March 2003
Neil O'Mahony nom[at]ing.iac.es